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misssynph:

i write a lot of threesomes/moresomes

not just in my fan fiction, but like

in my original stories after a certain , my main relationships are three couples that turned into two threesomes that eventually just wind up being a massive sloppy poly relationship. it’s great. 

everyone should just be together

screw ship wars over boring couples

try for polyamory

or triads

or squiggly tangles of limbs and stuff

its amazing　

Let’s make this a thing— all the love, for everyone, all the time.

Is the LGBTQ portion of comics fandom really so entirely desperate for anything they can get that they’ll take literally anything DC hands them without question? I’m not being facetious, this is something I honestly want to know.

I just think it’s so sad. 

robinless:

raeseddon:

robinless:

angergirl:

DC I’m happy for Alan Scott but the guy is a little marketed character who lives in a different universe. Literally. So I’ll believe you’ve grown up when you say you’ve made a prominent character gay, and that character turns out to be someone that people who don’t read comics will recognize. Someone you ritually see on lunchboxes and backpacks. Do that, then come back and see if you deserve the Magical Look How Progressive We Are Cookie.

What, what, what?

1) Prominent character: you can’t get much more prominent than the first Green Lantern if your name is not Clark, Bruce or Diana.

2) People who don’t read comics don’t care about comic characters, gay or not. In fact, they probably think comics are lame. The only characters they might care about are Superman, Batman and that’s about it, so why should they gather to their tastes? Wasn’t people complaining that the reboot was a bad move because they were trying to get new readers when they should have been doing stuff for the fanbase they already had?

3) Fact is, it’s a good thing that we’re getting a new lgbt character. And it’ll always be a positive thing to have another one. And the more minority characters we get, the better.

I can’t believe people are complaining about getting a new gay character. It’s a bit surreal. Also, the scenes where Alan’s with his boyfriend are cute. And isnt’ he supposed to be one of the main heroes of Earth-2 since Batman is kaput and so on? Earth-2 and Earth-1 are bound to mix in the near future, what with Helena and Peej already leaving the former.

I feel like I’m too old for this shit, sometimes. You know who isn’t happy with this decision? Homophobes and then never-happy non-homophobic people, aka the two opposite poles of the debate. Extremes touch each other.

I would far from call myself “never happy”— I’m just suspicious of when—as a minority—I’m being pandered to, and there’s nothing about this decision that doesn’t feel like like pandering. And again, I think it’s naive to believe that every new gay character (also Alan Scott isn’t new, his gayness is new, he isn’t) is a good thing. It’s the quality over quantity argument again.

I’ll believe companies like DC have a real interest in minority (all minority) characters when they create more than handful of brand-spanking new characters that can garner a fanbase in their own right—it’s why I like Batwoman, Nightrunner and Batwing so much. They achieved that. Building a fanbase from scratch isn’t something Alan Scott needs to worry about, and to me, that shoots a hole in DC’s integrity, because it tells me that they don’t trust him to be known enough by the newer generations of comic reader or just wanted a recognizable name they could toss around to deflect people from asking the important questions:

Why Alan Scott?

Why now?

Why not just create more minority characters or god forbid, bring a popular character out of limbo?

Like Cassandra Cain. (As long as we’re talking minority characters.)

I feel as though to truly “make it” in media, fictional or otherwise, lgbtq characters shouldn’t have to rely on crutches such as being retconned as gay (despite me loving Renee, when she was straight or otherwise): that they should be able to stand on their own, and aside from a few writers at DC I think they’re aware that as a company they aren’t prepared to do that entirely just yet.

And you know, what? It’s a little annoying, but I’m okay with that. These things take time — you can’t change an industry over night or by flooding it with minority characters— the same way you can’t change a white-dominant society over night by announcing there there are more brown babies in it than white. It’s a slow build, but it will happen because it will have no choice but to happen.

It’s just— Why not?

“I’m just suspicious of when—as a minority—I’m being pandered to, and there’s nothing about this decision that doesn’t feel like like pandering. And again, I think it’s naive to believe that every new gay character (also Alan Scott isn’t new, his gayness is new, he isn’t) is a good thing. It’s the quality over quantity argument again.”

Let’s see. I don’t get why pandering is inherently wrong, though that may have to do with the fact that I didn’t even know the word ‘til half a minute ago. Anyway, I fail to see the reasoning after using ”not every new gay character is a good thing” as the default approach to a new gay character. That’s like ”everything’s bad ‘til proven otherwise”. Are there that many lgbt characters to justify a quality drop?

The quality over quantity argument is irrelevant as long as we don’t have at least five issues to base the quality on. As a first approach, I’m all pro-introducing new characters, because that means more probabilities of a good one appearing and sticking. We’ve four of five lgbt active characters that I can think of. That’s way too little. You don’t know if a character will be good or bad or suck so bad it’ll make you cry, to know that it has to exist first.

I lack the hability to be negative about stuff that has yet to happen.

“Why not just create more minority characters or god forbid, bring a popular character out of limbo?” New characters come as go as the wind pleases, isn’t it better to use a character that you can be damn well sure isn’t going anywhere? I just don’t see the problem, frankly. I’d rather have Alan and know that he’ll be there in six years, than just get a new third-rate character that may be dead by the end of the year, because that really would add nothing to representing anyone. Also, people are complaining about Miguel, too, and he is a new character. So we don’t want retconned characters but we also don’t like new ones. Well, then. That’s what makes me say people seem unable to be happy.

“it will happen because it will have no choice but to happen.” And that’s a bad thing? Look, when gay marriage was approved here back in 2004 or so, there was a part of the population that were against it, and there was quite a shitstorm going on. 8 years later, the amount of people that think gay marriage should disappear has dropped to a very very little percentage. What I mean with that is, because something has to be forced into society, that doesn’t mean society won’t grow into it and learn with a bit of time. You want society to just embrace new things like a group of motherly bears? Hell, we can’t even get fandom to accept the decision of a company to retcon a character!

Everyone is as against changing stuff as much as everyone else is, we just differ in the things we don’t want changed. People tend to think they’re so much better than other people, when in fact they’re as bad about other stuff. I lack faith in humanity, I stopped caring about motivations and just care about results. I don’t care why the do it, I care about what it creates. Probably not the best position, but hey, it gets me by and helps me not be constantly in a bad mood over trivial matters.

Pandering is, by nature disingenous. It’s saying something when you don’t mean it, or aren’t ready to mean it—but some gesture must still be made, so you pander and hope that appeases the people that need to be placated. Pandering is where a lot of “token” characters come from.

As for quality over quanity— I can already (personally) see a quality drop in that Alan Scott isn’t a new character. I wish there was a different way to explain this without repeating myself but his iconic status matters in that to me it already starts him off on a not-so great foot.

And this is going to sound counter productive but yes, I’d rather have an original character that doesn’t last as opposed to a retconned gay character because originality is just more genuine. I don’t care how long they last, because the more times DC tries to introduce an original gay character (with the right writers) the longer they’ll last, just because things are changing. It’s slow, but they are, which is why I’d be happier with a new, original lgbtq character than one rectonned to be gay. It’s a better gauge, I think, of how things are changing. I don’t expect the industry to embrace lgbtq characters all at once, which is exactly why I’d rather see DC try and fail with original gay characters.

Because they won’t fail forever.

The problem is, DC is a company, and they exist therefore to make money—which prohibits the try-until-you-succeed model of doing things. They’re just more inclined to do the not risky thing and go with a character that has an established base—and on the surface there’s nothing wrong with that, because retconning characters as gay is on the whole easier on the fanbase and the rest of the industry than introducing new gay characters entirely.

My point is that the time for that as a marketing tactic to get lgbtq characters into their stories is passing—now’s the time they need to really put effort into introducing new lgbtq characters and putting as much effort into them as we know they can. They’ve even set a standard for themselves in Batwoman, and I’d love to see DC outdo themselves in really promoting and getting another lgbtq chatacter noticed the way they got Kate noticed.  Also note that it wasn’t just Kate’s gayness that made her popular, it was because she was a good character— her gayness was a factor, but it wasn’t everything. Batwoman is just a well written book, and I know there are writers at DC that have other Kates and Miguels and Renees and Alans in them.

DC just needs to take the hit and let those characters out into the spotlight.

I don’t blame you for being a results oriented person, but sometimes, if you don’t pay attention to the process, the results may not be what you expect them to be, and that’s my fear. I don’t want DC to be the pandering company, I want them to be what I’ve seen that they have the potential to be—the company that cares and puts really love and thought into the groups they represent.

robinless:

angergirl:

DC I’m happy for Alan Scott but the guy is a little marketed character who lives in a different universe. Literally. So I’ll believe you’ve grown up when you say you’ve made a prominent character gay, and that character turns out to be someone that people who don’t read comics will recognize. Someone you ritually see on lunchboxes and backpacks. Do that, then come back and see if you deserve the Magical Look How Progressive We Are Cookie.

What, what, what?

1) Prominent character: you can’t get much more prominent than the first Green Lantern if your name is not Clark, Bruce or Diana.

2) People who don’t read comics don’t care about comic characters, gay or not. In fact, they probably think comics are lame. The only characters they might care about are Superman, Batman and that’s about it, so why should they gather to their tastes? Wasn’t people complaining that the reboot was a bad move because they were trying to get new readers when they should have been doing stuff for the fanbase they already had?

3) Fact is, it’s a good thing that we’re getting a new lgbt character. And it’ll always be a positive thing to have another one. And the more minority characters we get, the better.

I can’t believe people are complaining about getting a new gay character. It’s a bit surreal. Also, the scenes where Alan’s with his boyfriend are cute. And isnt’ he supposed to be one of the main heroes of Earth-2 since Batman is kaput and so on? Earth-2 and Earth-1 are bound to mix in the near future, what with Helena and Peej already leaving the former.

I feel like I’m too old for this shit, sometimes. You know who isn’t happy with this decision? Homophobes and then never-happy non-homophobic people, aka the two opposite poles of the debate. Extremes touch each other.

I would far from call myself “never happy”— I’m just suspicious of when—as a minority—I’m being pandered to, and there’s nothing about this decision that doesn’t feel like like pandering. And again, I think it’s naive to believe that every new gay character (also Alan Scott isn’t new, his gayness is new, he isn’t) is a good thing. It’s the quality over quantity argument again.

I’ll believe companies like DC have a real interest in minority (all minority) characters when they create more than handful of brand-spanking new characters that can garner a fanbase in their own right—it’s why I like Batwoman, Nightrunner and Batwing so much. They achieved that. Building a fanbase from scratch isn’t something Alan Scott needs to worry about, and to me, that shoots a hole in DC’s integrity, because it tells me that they don’t trust him to be known enough by the newer generations of comic reader or just wanted a recognizable name they could toss around to deflect people from asking the important questions:

Why Alan Scott?

Why now?

Why not just create more minority characters or god forbid, bring a popular character out of limbo?

Like Cassandra Cain. (As long as we’re talking minority characters.)

I feel as though to truly “make it” in media, fictional or otherwise, lgbtq characters shouldn’t have to rely on crutches such as being retconned as gay (despite me loving Renee, when she was straight or otherwise): that they should be able to stand on their own, and aside from a few writers at DC I think they’re aware that as a company they aren’t prepared to do that entirely just yet.

And you know, what? It’s a little annoying, but I’m okay with that. These things take time — you can’t change an industry over night or by flooding it with minority characters— the same way you can’t change a white-dominant society over night by announcing there there are more brown babies in it than white. It’s a slow build, but it will happen because it will have no choice but to happen.